Friday, September 02, 2005
I Think I'd rather be in Zimbabwe
Friday September 2, 02:12 PM
New Orleans descends into anarchy
New Orleans has descended into anarchy as corpses lay abandoned, fights and fires broke out, cops turned in their badges and the governor declared war on looters who have made the city a menacing landscape of disorder and fear.
"They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said of 300 National Guard troops who landed in New Orleans fresh from duty in Iraq. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."
Four days after Hurricane Katrina roared in with a devastating blow that inflicted potentially thousands of deaths, the fear, anger and violence mounted.
"I'm not sure I'm going to get out of here alive," said Canadian tourist Larry Mitzel, who handed a reporter his business card in case he goes missing. "I'm scared of riots. I'm scared of the locals. We might get caught in the crossfire."
The chaos deepened despite the promise of 1,400 National Guardsmen a day to stop the looting, plans for a $US10 billion ($A13 billion) recovery bill in Congress and a government relief effort President George W. Bush called the biggest in US history.
New Orleans' top emergency management official called that effort a "national disgrace" and questioned when reinforcements would actually reach the increasingly lawless city.
About 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at New Orleans convention centre grew ever more hostile after waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead.
Police Chief Eddie Compass said there was such a crush around a squad of 88 officers that they retreated when they went in to check out reports of assaults.
"We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon."
Col. Henry Whitehorn, chief of the Louisiana State Police, said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers - many of whom from flooded areas - turning in their badges.
"They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Whitehorn said.
A military helicopter tried to land at the convention centre several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 3m off the ground and flew away.
At least seven bodies were scattered outside the convention centre, a makeshift staging area for those rescued from rooftops, attics and highways. The sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement.
An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.
"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair.
"You can do everything for other countries, but you can't do nothing for your own people," he added. "You can go overseas with the military, but you can't get them down here."
The street outside the centre, above the floodwaters, smelled of urine and faeces, and was choked with dirty nappies, old bottles and garbage.
"They've been teasing us with buses for four days," Edwards said. "They're telling us they're going to come get us one day, and then they don't show up."
Every so often, an armoured state police vehicle cruised in front of the convention centre with four or five officers in riot gear with automatic weapons. But there was no sign of help from the National Guard.
"We are out here like pure animals," the Issac Clark said.
"We've got people dying out here - two babies have died, a woman died, a man died," said Helen Cheek. "We haven't had no food, we haven't had no water, we haven't had nothing. They just brought us here and dropped us."
Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Michigan, said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "'Go to hell - it's every man for himself."'
"This is just insanity," she said. "We have no food, no water ... all these trucks and buses go by and they do nothing but wave."
FEMA director Michael Brown said the agency just learned about the situation at the convention centre and quickly scrambled to provide food, water and medical care and remove the corpses.
Speaking on CNN's Larry King Live, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the evacuation of New Orleans should be completed by the end of the weekend.
At the hot and stinking Superdome, where 30,000 were being evacuated by bus to the Houston Astrodome, fistfights and fires erupted amid a seething sea of tense, suffering people who waited in a lines that stretched 800m to board yellow school buses.
Some of those among the mostly poor crowd had been in the dome for four days without air conditioning, working toilets or a place to bathe.
An ambulance service airlifting the sick and injured out of the Superdome suspended flights as too dangerous after it was reported that a bullet was fired at a military helicopter.
"If they're just taking us anywhere, just anywhere, I say praise God," said refugee John Phillip. "Nothing could be worse than what we've been through."
New Orleans' emergency operations chief Terry Ebbert blamed the inadequate response on the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
"This is not a FEMA operation. I haven't seen a single FEMA guy," he said. He added: "We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can't bail out the city of New Orleans."
FEMA officials said some operations had to be suspended in areas where gunfire has broken out, but are working overtime to feed people and restore order.
A day after Nagin took 1,500 police officers off search-and-rescue duty to try to restore order in the streets, there were continued reports of looting, shootings, gunfire and carjackings - and not all the crimes were driven by greed.
When some hospitals try to airlift patients, Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan said, "there are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, 'You better come get my family."'
Several thousand storm victims had arrived in Houston by Thursday night, and they quickly got hot meals, showers and some much-needed rest.
While floodwaters in the city appeared to stabilise, efforts continued to plug three breaches that had opened up in the levee system that protects this below-sea-level city.
Helicopters dropped sandbags into the breach and pilings were being pounded into the mouth of the canal to close its connection to Lake Pontchartrain, state Transportation Secretary Johnny Bradberry said.
The next step called for using about 250 concrete road barriers to seal the gap.
In Washington, the White House said Bush will tour the devastated Gulf Coast region and has asked his father, former President George H.W. Bush, and former President Clinton to lead a private fund-raising campaign for victims. [There will be a few people lining up to take potshots at that helicopter I imagine]
The president urged a crackdown on the lawlessness.
"I think there ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this - whether it be looting, or price gouging at the petrol pump, or taking advantage of charitable giving or insurance fraud," Bush said. "And I've made that clear to our attorney general. The citizens ought to be working together."
Donald Dudley, a 55-year-old New Orleans seafood merchant, complained that when he and other hungry refugees broke into the kitchen of the convention centre and tried to prepare food, the National Guard chased them away.
"They pulled guns and told us we had to leave that kitchen or they would blow our damn brains out," he said. "We don't want their help. Give us some vehicles and we'll get ourselves out of here!"
New Orleans descends into anarchy
New Orleans has descended into anarchy as corpses lay abandoned, fights and fires broke out, cops turned in their badges and the governor declared war on looters who have made the city a menacing landscape of disorder and fear.
"They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said of 300 National Guard troops who landed in New Orleans fresh from duty in Iraq. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."
Four days after Hurricane Katrina roared in with a devastating blow that inflicted potentially thousands of deaths, the fear, anger and violence mounted.
"I'm not sure I'm going to get out of here alive," said Canadian tourist Larry Mitzel, who handed a reporter his business card in case he goes missing. "I'm scared of riots. I'm scared of the locals. We might get caught in the crossfire."
The chaos deepened despite the promise of 1,400 National Guardsmen a day to stop the looting, plans for a $US10 billion ($A13 billion) recovery bill in Congress and a government relief effort President George W. Bush called the biggest in US history.
New Orleans' top emergency management official called that effort a "national disgrace" and questioned when reinforcements would actually reach the increasingly lawless city.
About 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at New Orleans convention centre grew ever more hostile after waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead.
Police Chief Eddie Compass said there was such a crush around a squad of 88 officers that they retreated when they went in to check out reports of assaults.
"We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon."
Col. Henry Whitehorn, chief of the Louisiana State Police, said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers - many of whom from flooded areas - turning in their badges.
"They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Whitehorn said.
A military helicopter tried to land at the convention centre several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 3m off the ground and flew away.
At least seven bodies were scattered outside the convention centre, a makeshift staging area for those rescued from rooftops, attics and highways. The sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement.
An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.
"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair.
"You can do everything for other countries, but you can't do nothing for your own people," he added. "You can go overseas with the military, but you can't get them down here."
The street outside the centre, above the floodwaters, smelled of urine and faeces, and was choked with dirty nappies, old bottles and garbage.
"They've been teasing us with buses for four days," Edwards said. "They're telling us they're going to come get us one day, and then they don't show up."
Every so often, an armoured state police vehicle cruised in front of the convention centre with four or five officers in riot gear with automatic weapons. But there was no sign of help from the National Guard.
"We are out here like pure animals," the Issac Clark said.
"We've got people dying out here - two babies have died, a woman died, a man died," said Helen Cheek. "We haven't had no food, we haven't had no water, we haven't had nothing. They just brought us here and dropped us."
Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Michigan, said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "'Go to hell - it's every man for himself."'
"This is just insanity," she said. "We have no food, no water ... all these trucks and buses go by and they do nothing but wave."
FEMA director Michael Brown said the agency just learned about the situation at the convention centre and quickly scrambled to provide food, water and medical care and remove the corpses.
Speaking on CNN's Larry King Live, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the evacuation of New Orleans should be completed by the end of the weekend.
At the hot and stinking Superdome, where 30,000 were being evacuated by bus to the Houston Astrodome, fistfights and fires erupted amid a seething sea of tense, suffering people who waited in a lines that stretched 800m to board yellow school buses.
Some of those among the mostly poor crowd had been in the dome for four days without air conditioning, working toilets or a place to bathe.
An ambulance service airlifting the sick and injured out of the Superdome suspended flights as too dangerous after it was reported that a bullet was fired at a military helicopter.
"If they're just taking us anywhere, just anywhere, I say praise God," said refugee John Phillip. "Nothing could be worse than what we've been through."
New Orleans' emergency operations chief Terry Ebbert blamed the inadequate response on the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
"This is not a FEMA operation. I haven't seen a single FEMA guy," he said. He added: "We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can't bail out the city of New Orleans."
FEMA officials said some operations had to be suspended in areas where gunfire has broken out, but are working overtime to feed people and restore order.
A day after Nagin took 1,500 police officers off search-and-rescue duty to try to restore order in the streets, there were continued reports of looting, shootings, gunfire and carjackings - and not all the crimes were driven by greed.
When some hospitals try to airlift patients, Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan said, "there are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, 'You better come get my family."'
Several thousand storm victims had arrived in Houston by Thursday night, and they quickly got hot meals, showers and some much-needed rest.
While floodwaters in the city appeared to stabilise, efforts continued to plug three breaches that had opened up in the levee system that protects this below-sea-level city.
Helicopters dropped sandbags into the breach and pilings were being pounded into the mouth of the canal to close its connection to Lake Pontchartrain, state Transportation Secretary Johnny Bradberry said.
The next step called for using about 250 concrete road barriers to seal the gap.
In Washington, the White House said Bush will tour the devastated Gulf Coast region and has asked his father, former President George H.W. Bush, and former President Clinton to lead a private fund-raising campaign for victims. [There will be a few people lining up to take potshots at that helicopter I imagine]
The president urged a crackdown on the lawlessness.
"I think there ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this - whether it be looting, or price gouging at the petrol pump, or taking advantage of charitable giving or insurance fraud," Bush said. "And I've made that clear to our attorney general. The citizens ought to be working together."
Donald Dudley, a 55-year-old New Orleans seafood merchant, complained that when he and other hungry refugees broke into the kitchen of the convention centre and tried to prepare food, the National Guard chased them away.
"They pulled guns and told us we had to leave that kitchen or they would blow our damn brains out," he said. "We don't want their help. Give us some vehicles and we'll get ourselves out of here!"
Comments:
While I think what happened in New Orleans is a tragedy, I am somewhat surprised with some people blaming the government, but not looking at themselves.
In the 2-3 days before the hurricane, I heard the mayor (?) continually telling people to leave the city. Fortunately, 80% heeded his warning. Now, I am know because of circumstances not everyone has the means to leave the city, but from pictures I have seen on TV not everyone who remained in the city necessarily was unable to leave, some people just choose to stay. I would guess that some people gambled that the hurricane wouldn't be so big and unfortunately they were wrong. Sure, everything should be done now to try to help these people, but are they helping themselves by firing at rescue helicopters and going around town looting (sure, if it was looting for food I could understand, but looting is certainly not limited to food).
Given so many people remained behind, it is difficult to arrange transportation for everyone out of the city in such a short time (I would guess the road conditions aren't the best either). It is a 700 mile roundtrip to Houston as well!
Isn't the Louisiana National Guard a state guard, not a federal guard? What the fuck has Louisiana been doing since the crisis took place? Sure they need some help from the Federal Government, but they don't seem to be doing anything.
-Dinkas
In the 2-3 days before the hurricane, I heard the mayor (?) continually telling people to leave the city. Fortunately, 80% heeded his warning. Now, I am know because of circumstances not everyone has the means to leave the city, but from pictures I have seen on TV not everyone who remained in the city necessarily was unable to leave, some people just choose to stay. I would guess that some people gambled that the hurricane wouldn't be so big and unfortunately they were wrong. Sure, everything should be done now to try to help these people, but are they helping themselves by firing at rescue helicopters and going around town looting (sure, if it was looting for food I could understand, but looting is certainly not limited to food).
Given so many people remained behind, it is difficult to arrange transportation for everyone out of the city in such a short time (I would guess the road conditions aren't the best either). It is a 700 mile roundtrip to Houston as well!
Isn't the Louisiana National Guard a state guard, not a federal guard? What the fuck has Louisiana been doing since the crisis took place? Sure they need some help from the Federal Government, but they don't seem to be doing anything.
-Dinkas
From the perspective of the normal working day, people should behave themselves, not shoot at the police and not steal things that are not theirs. But when crisis hits, the state fails to respond in an effective manner, and anarchy ensues, then all bets are off. Logical thinking takes a vacation along with common sense, and it is impossible to try and capture the mind set of someone put into the middle of it all.
If you’re poor as shit, you’re house just blew away and with it your medicine, you will come up with unique ways of trying to survive. That may mean busting into the pharmacy to grab some meds. When the men in uniform show up with a greater passion to protect property than to protect your life, and they stop you from taking your medicines, then you may just decide, with all logic dangling out the window, to take a pot shot or two at them.
Without a civic relationship between the governed and governor, the normal way of doing business may mean very little. Washington failed to provide this necessary relationship, all the while harping about the value of American security. The administration should be hung high.
By all means punish those taking pot shots at the cops, but in a society that feasts on violence and creates it with impunity, those in charge of this land should be made to stand for their decisions and actions as well.
If you’re poor as shit, you’re house just blew away and with it your medicine, you will come up with unique ways of trying to survive. That may mean busting into the pharmacy to grab some meds. When the men in uniform show up with a greater passion to protect property than to protect your life, and they stop you from taking your medicines, then you may just decide, with all logic dangling out the window, to take a pot shot or two at them.
Without a civic relationship between the governed and governor, the normal way of doing business may mean very little. Washington failed to provide this necessary relationship, all the while harping about the value of American security. The administration should be hung high.
By all means punish those taking pot shots at the cops, but in a society that feasts on violence and creates it with impunity, those in charge of this land should be made to stand for their decisions and actions as well.
It just seems like there's no choice. It's base instincts all round.
Friday September 2, 08:25 PM
Aussies loot to survive after Katrina
Trapped Australian tourists describe hurricane-raved New Orleans as a war zone, with them and everyone else driven to looting just to survive.
Rockhampton couple Tim and Joanne Miller have linked up with another Australian couple, Gary and Cynthia Jones.
All four are living in an abandoned mall with hundreds of other people.
They told Channel Seven News the streets were lawless with dead bodies everywhere.
Mr Jones said survivors were terrified of the violence.
"It's a battle zone. There's shooting, dead bodies in the street," he said, adding that he and his wife were forced to steal to survive.
"We're looters like everyone else," he said.
Mrs Miller told Channel Seven News: "There's no power, there's no water, we've still got a portable loo we've got three dead bodies, five dead bodies down there ... disease.
"I'm not blaming the police because they are under so much pressure.
"I had an altercation with a police officer and he ended up just crying to me because he was so frustrated and he couldn't do any more. He wanted to help us but he didn't have any resources."
Mr Miller described the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina as "horrific".
He said police had broken into shops to feed survivors.
"When we first arrived here the door at the mall was actually smashed by a police officer and he said, 'help yourself ... food and drink, take it, don't take anything else'," he said.
Friday September 2, 08:25 PM
Aussies loot to survive after Katrina
Trapped Australian tourists describe hurricane-raved New Orleans as a war zone, with them and everyone else driven to looting just to survive.
Rockhampton couple Tim and Joanne Miller have linked up with another Australian couple, Gary and Cynthia Jones.
All four are living in an abandoned mall with hundreds of other people.
They told Channel Seven News the streets were lawless with dead bodies everywhere.
Mr Jones said survivors were terrified of the violence.
"It's a battle zone. There's shooting, dead bodies in the street," he said, adding that he and his wife were forced to steal to survive.
"We're looters like everyone else," he said.
Mrs Miller told Channel Seven News: "There's no power, there's no water, we've still got a portable loo we've got three dead bodies, five dead bodies down there ... disease.
"I'm not blaming the police because they are under so much pressure.
"I had an altercation with a police officer and he ended up just crying to me because he was so frustrated and he couldn't do any more. He wanted to help us but he didn't have any resources."
Mr Miller described the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina as "horrific".
He said police had broken into shops to feed survivors.
"When we first arrived here the door at the mall was actually smashed by a police officer and he said, 'help yourself ... food and drink, take it, don't take anything else'," he said.
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